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  Top 5 songs...

  by NaruNaruChan in

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  that remind you of the society, or your experiences in the truth.

  "hell bent" by kenna.

  "free" by vast.

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  1. Don't know the title but it's a Billy Joel song & he says in the chorus, "...this is my life, go ahead with your own life, leave me alone!" 2. "Express Yourself" - Madonna, the bit when she says 'second best is never enough', that's how I felt about the spineless brothers I dated! 3. "Armageddon It" - Def Leppard - My angry, burn in hell GB, phase 4. "Die Another Day" - Madonna - When I didn't fear my doubts anymore or fear Jehovah zapping me! 5. "I Feel So Alive" - Korn - Felt just like that after I left! - :) Victorian Sky
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  Are you planning anything special for Memorial?

  by Athanasius in

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  since i never partook of the bread and wine all the years i was a jw, thought it would be fun to attend this year's memorial and sample the matzo and hopefully some kosher wine.

  thought it might impress jws if i walked into the kh wearing a yarmulke and a tallith (prayer shawl).

  anybody else plan to have some fun at the memorial?.

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  Nina & Charmed, I know what you mean. This is the first time in my life I'm not going to the Memorial. Part of me wants to give in to my mom's 'the family is falling apart speech' and the other part of me gets naseaous thinking about stepping foot in a KH. Guess what I'm saying is, still not sure what I'm going to do. I know! I'll watch American Idol!! - Victorian Sky
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-13-03 WT Study

  by blondie in

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  comments you will not hear at the 4-13-03 wt study

  march 1, 2003, page 8. red highlight indicates quotes from the watchtower.

  black and (parentheses) are reviewer statements.. be courageous and strong!.

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  Thanks Blondie! Very interesting. Sick. Twisted. Warped. Once again, the GB taking no responsiblility for any harm done - they might as well say, 'Child Abuse, Blood transfusion deaths, Disfellowshipping & murder/suicides, yeah it's happening but we have the truth! Obey us in everything and look the other way. Don't you dare ask a single quesiton or else!' They are disgusting. I'm sorry I was associated with the borg and it makes me sick to know what's been going on, covered up and glossed over. Their PR is amazing though, they can make a pile of poop smell like roses. I can never go back & I'm so thankful to be out. Keep 'em coming Blondie.:) Victorian Sky
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  April 2003 KM: ``Mind Your Manners in Public"

  by Room 215 in

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  now that it's dispensed with its annual ``don't you dare partake" in advance of their spring travesty of a communion, the faithful and discreet slave shifts its focus to another seasonal perennial: the km's recurrent exhortation to ``mind your manners at this summer's district conventions.

  by ``connecting the dots" between the leadership's admonition to mind one's manners at the hotel, to tip approriately, to avoid ``double-dipping'' by eating and then loading up on unapproved takeaways for lunch at hotels that prvide complimentary breakfast, to refrain from losing all inhibitions in after-hour socializing and to forego the donning of outlandish skin-tight (or conversely loose fitting ``hip-hop" outfits) forte duration of the assembly, a picture quite different from the idealized notion of jws being a worldwide fraternity of solidly mature, temperate ministers who lives find fulfilment only in the service of god and their fellow man.. what sort of adults need to be lectured in such terms, let alone a group that boasts of its aloofness from satan's world?

  what does it suggest about leadership's awareness of how far removed from reality the rank and file is from their literature's stylized imagery?

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  Wow, isn't it amazing that manners get more emphasis than talks on how to treat people with kindness, compassion & love? I used to zone out during brain numbing parts like these. JWs are treated like children who are incapable of thinking for themselves and if people need reminders not to steal that's not saying much about the group as a whole. - Victorian Sky
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  Are you a different person now from when you were a JW?

  by NaruNaruChan in

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  i got an e-mail today from an old high school friend who, after we met for coffee, said "wow, you're normal again!

  i mean, you were boring, stuffy, and generally not much fun when you became a jw.

  now you're back to the old so-and-so that i remember, i love it!

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  Some aspects of my personality are the same. But in some ways I hardly recognize myself. I was raised a JW and contrary to what they say from the podium, just because a person leaves doensn't mean they'll go buck wild. But I am so thankful that I feel closer to God, I'm more caring, loving, much more tolerant of different beliefs. I was a judgemental, worry all the time, uptight, guilt 24/7 kind of person. Nothing I did was good enough so I've learned to be a lot kinder to myself and to others. I had to learn how to have fun & now I really enjoy life. My relatives say that I'm much happier and more involved with family gatherings. The JW family & 'friends' can't figure that out, 'cause if you leave the 'truth' you're supposed to miserable right? I don't think so! But more than anything, I'm much more compassionate than I ever was as an active JW. Gee, I wonder why?:) - Victorian Sky
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  Your favorite Watchtower oddities

  by logansrun in

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  you know, there are some things phrased that are just so, so....watchtoweresque.

  what are some things you see that remind you of some wt foibles?

  one thing that always cracks me up is when an article or book (or post) uses too many exclamation points.

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  BAD ASSOCIATION - If I hear that scripture one more time I'll gag. Who determines who is bad anyway? The borg judges people down to their underwear. WORLDY PEOPLE - I was never comfortable with how non JW's where viewed, they didn't matter unless they became JW's, some of my relatives who I dearly love where so called worldy and the JW's so eager for their destruction. Never liked the looking down on people. LOOSE CONDUCT - not that I've ever been accused of it but what the hell is that? Either you have sex or you don't. THE PIONEER RANKS - the what?! SERVING JEHOVAH FULLTIME - excuse me? Aren't all Christians trying to do that regardless of hrs spent in the field? It was like non pioneers didn't count, never liked that either, even when I was a pioneer. YOUR CAREER AS A WITNESS - say what? Last time I checked not one of us got paid, this was said to discourage people from going to college, thank God I didn't listen to that nonsense! - Victorian Sky
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  They Finally Did It

  by kelpie in

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  my parents have finally disowned me.. my dad called yesturday and told me to get the "dogs of my mothers back" about my upcoming wedding.. i told him that i havent put anyone on mum's back and if they are saying it, its because they want to and don't agree with what he and mum are doing.

  i said that mum can speak for herself and he said that she and will and the next time you speak to your mother she will tell you that we dont want to ever speak to or see you again...".

  at this point in the conversation i hung up the phone in his ear.

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  Kim, I empathize with the pain you must be going through. Know that you have true friends here, who care about you unconditionally. You can write to anyone of us if you ever get down and when you miss your family, I hope they come to their senses. If you ever need to talk, my email is [email protected]. Again, I am so sorry and I pray you'll have the strength to get through this difficult time. It's wonderful that you have a loving fiance and step children and you have us for support as well. Hugs.- Victorian Sky
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  HELP US CELEBRATE PLEEEEEEEEEEASE....

  by nightwarrior in

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  our son ben is celebrating his 15th birthday on friday 11, but actually it is his 1st birthday aswell.. so please help us celebrate with him be sending him some cool messages.

  he is really excited, and he is getting some cool pressies.

  he has been really funny, but it is lovely to see.. we would really appreciate it.. thanks everyone.

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  HAPPY BIRTHDAY BEN!!!! Hope you have the time of your life! - Victorian Sky
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  Was There Ever A Circuit Overseer That You Couldn't Stand?

  by minimus in

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  i know this has been discussed before but i think a fresh thread on this will be enjoyable.

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  Most I knew where sincere and caring. One came across as cold, he didn't give the publishers the time of day, he only had a real conversation with you if you were an elder, servant or Reg. pioneer. The district overseer was really full of self importance. He would pray for, had to be 5-8 min's all about 'Jehovah, please bless the pioneers, elders, all CO's, Bethalites, then he'd mention his wife by name and how supportive she is of him while he slaves for the congregation!' I used to sit down during his long winded prayers, I hated when he'd strut to the podium. I kept thinking, why can't he mention the widow? the single parents? those suffering in some way? My favorite CO was ancient and he'd fall asleep everywhere. He doozed off during the meetings, had long pauses between thoughts while giving talks. The best was when he nodded off in pioneer school, he was snoring on stage, I wanted to laugh so badly but I supressed that natural impusle like everything else. It's great to be free:) - Victorian Sky
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  The WatchTower and Higher Education

  by Maverick in

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  runningman's post on the fallacies of the watchtower reasonings started me thinking on the gb's stand on higher education.

  i am impressed with the superb thinking ability of many who post here.

  unclebruce, stephanus, victor_e, gamaliel, blondie, undisfellowshipped, and machislopp to name just a few.

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  I graduated in high school in the early 90s. I was torn between my non JW dad & inactive mom who insited on college and the congregation who were hell bent against it. One sister said, 'What if Armageddon comes while you're in college? Is an empty, selfish pursuit worth your life?' I had elders talk to me & 'well meaning, concerned' older sisters. I was even told no spiritual brother would want me because I'd have more education than him! So I went anyway & I pioneered & worked part-time. Nearly killed myself doing it but I'm still here. I'm going for my Masters at 31 and I can say that regrets is a huge waste of time. I used to think, I could of been this by now, I could of done that but I didn't! Life could have been better, it could have been worse. We all have to live with our choices and not let the borg get another second of our time or energy on what ifs. I know the borg has destroyed a lot of dreams and stolen many opportunities for people and I'm not minimizing that. I feel for all those affected. I know that the society doesn't acknowledge the damage done let alone take responsibility for the economic state of most dubs. Years later one sister said to me 'Well you know, the society never said we couldn't go to college'. I just looked at her. It's amazing how selective the memory is among the dubs, anything to protect the GB even if it kills them. It's never too late - if you have a dream - look into scholarships and grant opportunities -. A book I found really helpful is: Foundation Grants for Individuals. I say, we take back our dreams - Victorian Sky